terry Thu Feb 6, 2003 2:01 pm

Karen Sharkey Flaherty Memorial

February 10 is Karen's Day!

I think the reminder of Karen Sharkey Flaherty Day on February 10 is, of course, to celebrate a phenomenal woman who gave all of her strength to helping people and the world, working with actions and not only words to get things done.
But another reason to celebrate this day is to remember everything Karen stood for: Love, kindness, selflessness, humbleness, hard work, and that one human, one woman, CAN make a difference. I am still amazed at how many people she has affected. Growing up with her, there were always run-a-ways or kids who had it pretty tough, living with us. And she was always there as a surrogate mother.

When she died, I remember calling many of them and just thinking of all the people who were gonna just be devastated for this loss was almost too much. Although, it made me feel not so alone, knowing everyone loved my mother, just like me. She was the world to me, and now she is part of the world, looking down upon us all, like a purple Saint, reminding us to take deep breaths and to be good to each other and our earth.

Last February 10th, people got together all over the world: Hawaii, Berkeley, New York, Tennessee, Baja, India, and others, to take at least 15 minutes out of their day and remember what she's shown us through her wisdom.

Everyone had their own private circles wherever they were, but we all did it at noon no matter what time zone we were in, and usually ended the meditation with Ohms. It would be nice if we could remember to do it again this year and each year thereafter, for she was truly a Saint to me. I would like to thank all of you for loving Karen as much as she loved us all, thank you for celebrating her life, she shall never be forgotten.

- Ellie Flaherty elfire@earthlink.net

terry Thu Feb 6, 2003 2:01 pm

This is the co-ordinating chat room for Karen Flaherty Day around the world.

terry Thu Feb 6, 2003 2:24 pm

Thanks so much, Ellie, for sending this in. I hope that you'll keep us posted on these events. I lived with your mom and dad on the Caravan and on the Wisconsin Farm. Karen really had a glimmer and a glow to her. You could feel it. She just radiated good, positive vibes all the time. I felt especially sad when I heard of Karen's passing because I was just starting to re-connect with her and Michael and was looking forward to helping her with her causes on the Internet. The http://www.farmnetnews.com was going to be her site for the newsletter she was doing. On February 10th, I will try and organize something in Austin in memorial to her and I will keep adding to her website. Ellie, please feel free to make farmnetnews.com your website also.

Ellie Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:54 pm

02/07/03

Ellie Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:54 pm

02/07/03

Ellie Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:55 pm

02/07/03

Ellie Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:55 pm

My didn't come up

Ellie Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:56 pm

My didn't come up

terry Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:42 pm

You're getting in ok Ellie!

terry Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:42 pm

Thanks for the wonderful stuff you sent.

terry Fri Feb 7, 2003 10:35 pm

terry Sat Feb 8, 2003 7:51 am

Ellie, I had this idea for farmnetnews. I could set up something called "moveabletype" which would let you edit the site pretty easily. If you want to see an example, take a look at The Spring Blog. Blog = weblog.

Ellie Sat Feb 8, 2003 1:27 pm

02/08/03

Ellie Sat Feb 8, 2003 1:27 pm

02/08/03

Ellie Sat Feb 8, 2003 1:29 pm

02/08/03

Ellie Sat Feb 8, 2003 1:29 pm

02/08/03

diev Sun Feb 9, 2003 4:18 pm

sweet, see ya tomorrow

Soul.Surfer Sun Feb 9, 2003 8:43 pm

**carves for Karen**

terry Sun Feb 9, 2003 8:46 pm

farmnet news was destined to be Karen's website, now it's her memorial and the torch has been passed to ellie. Run with it, Ellie!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:51 am

feb 9,2003

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:51 am

feb 9,2003

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:52 am

feb 9,2003

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:52 am

nothinI type in big box will show.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:54 am

can u read me man?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:54 am

can u read me man?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:54 am

can u read me man?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:55 am

can u read me man?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:55 am

Finally! I got my wods up there!!! Sorry aboout all the mistakes, whew!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:56 am

I mean words.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:57 am

Happy Karen Flaherty Day!!!! I miss you mom...

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:58 am

Karen SHARKEY Flaherty Day!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:59 am

She was such a light being.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:00 am

Thanks Terry!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:01 am

It hard to speak of someone so light and pure as her. Karen was beautifully eneffable.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:02 am

Here's a rainbow to you mom, from Hawaii!

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:26 am

Good morning Ellie, we're going to the nursery today and find a tree to plant.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:27 am

You said Karen liked pine and cherry trees, so that's what we'll be looking for.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:58 am

good morning Ellie, Happy Karen Sharkey Flaherty Day!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:59 am

Shine on Karen, keep smiling and spread the love

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:11 pm

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:11 pm

oops

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:15 pm

Good Day, Diev. We're getting ready to do our noontime meditation and pay homage to karen here in Austin.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:15 pm

It's 11:24 am here so we'll start in a little over half an hour.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:17 pm

nice, good day to you to and thanks for all this :o)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:18 pm

oh. not caifornia time (it's 9:26 now)?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:19 pm

Thank Ellie! She's making up all the content!

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:19 pm

It's almost noon here in Austin, it will be noon in two and half hours from now in CAL

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:20 pm

BIG ups to you Ellie.....

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:21 pm

I'm trying to get Ellie hooked up with Frontpage. Do you know anything about Frontpage?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:21 pm

you siad we'd start in a half hour, not 1.5 hrs?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:21 pm

yes I do know frontpage :))

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:22 pm

Well we'll start her in half an hour. It's CST here. What time zone are you in? If it's ok with Ellie, I could set you up as a frontpage author if you would be willing to help Ellie.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:22 pm

her should say here

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:23 pm

sure, I just know the basics but am willing to do help in anyway I can....I'm in Cal (pst)

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:23 pm

I couldn't get a hold of Michael, so I did the next best thing and called Ames who's at the same rock show in Tucson.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:24 pm

In Oakland, Karen Flaherty Day is an officially recognized day, by virtue of the Mayor, Jerry Brown

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:25 pm

thats AWESOME

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:26 pm

as it should be a recognized day for ever more

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:26 pm

http://www.farmwiki.net:8080/app/serv/Karen_F/Memorial/Diev%20Pictures/circle.jpg

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:27 pm

thats the URL to the circle we formed last year

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:27 pm

It should be. I just called Michael Flaherty but got his voicemail..

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:28 pm

You mean this one?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:28 pm

thanks, I tried

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:28 pm

I told Michael on his cellphone voicemail about today's events on the web.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:29 pm

Are you in that picture?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:29 pm

sweet, any idea where Saytia(sp?) is?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:29 pm

well thats my view ...so no :(

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:30 pm

No, but Ellie might. Tom Sharkey used to be in Calif, Karen's brother.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:31 pm

cool, I used to have him in my AIM, but no more

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:34 pm

17 minutes till we start here.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:37 pm

did you find a pine or cherry tree to plant?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:40 pm

I'm tracking down a Montmorency Cherry Tree to plant.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:40 pm

They have one in Lindale, but that's way up by Tyler, so trying to find one locally

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:41 pm

Glenn here

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:41 pm

lets al try to plant something, if not just seeds of love...

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:41 pm

good to see ta made it Glenn :o))

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:41 pm

oops....ya.....

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:43 pm

Hey there Glenn!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:44 pm

I'm going to get a tree after right after work

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:44 pm

I'll look for a cherry as they are so beautiful, like Karen

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:46 pm

Hey Terry

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:48 pm

What time zone are you in, Glenn? We're starting here in 3 minutes.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:49 pm

I knew a Glenn on the Farm once.

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:49 pm

Central, Nashville time

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:49 pm

I knew a Terry on the Farm once

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:49 pm

Maybe twice

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:50 pm

It's a beautiful snow covered day here in Middle Tennessee

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:51 pm

We're starting now, be back in 15 minutes.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:54 pm

if you settings are to see "All Post" you can set it to that to see the circle picture

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:55 pm

down near the bottom, set to "All Post" (to see them)

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:55 pm

looking

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:56 pm

the setting are to the right of this....>

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:56 pm

show5,show10...All Post ------>

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:56 pm

got it, thank you

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:02 pm

do you know if they are having a get together down the farm? they must be

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:03 pm

Yes they are

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:04 pm

nice, it must look beautiful there now, show everywhere, hoe we see some pictures (hint hint)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:05 pm

lost the p in hope.....

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:06 pm

I need a digital camera

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:06 pm

The trees are all covered, drapped with the white stuff. Giving it a clean feeling.

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:07 pm

I can imagine the Farm cemetary looking very beautiful.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:09 pm

I bet it does, someone please take some pic....

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:37 pm

Hi all!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:38 pm

How do I change my avatar once it's there?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:40 pm

hi Ellie :o)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:41 pm

figure it out?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:41 pm

Everyone, the big chat is at noon California time, don't forget!! If your on the east coast that makes it 3.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:42 pm

Hello diev

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:46 pm

Hey Diev, who are you, do I know you?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:49 pm

Hello?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:51 pm

oh well, see ya'll at Noon Cali time. Happy Karen Sharkey Flaherty Day!!!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:52 pm

still here

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:53 pm

tall dark(ish) dancer (Patrick Staggs)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:54 pm

The name sounds familiar

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:54 pm

http://www.dievhart.com/diev/images/d-friends.jpg

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:55 pm

Thanks for being here

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:55 pm

I know your bro better that yourself......where is he?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:55 pm

we met at ragweed (again)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:56 pm

did ya see the cirlce picture in here? (toward bottom)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:57 pm

He is in Tuscon with my dad where there aren't many computers , but htey promised to be here at 1:oo their time, noon cali time.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:57 pm

He is in Tuscon with my dad where there aren't many computers , but htey promised to be here at 1:oo their time, noon cali time.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:57 pm

yeah I saw the picture of circle...

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:58 pm

nice, Terry asked if I knew FrontPage to help ya (if ya ant/ned it) so give be a buzz if ya do ok

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:58 pm

oops....want/need.....

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:59 pm

ok, I think I do.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:01 pm

Are you on the Farm?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:02 pm

no, bay area...live in santa cruz, a boat ride away ;)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:03 pm

I miss the Bay area!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:03 pm

I just changed my avatar to a heart

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:04 pm

I have never been to the islands and want to real bad like

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:04 pm

maybe this summer, instead of ragweed

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:04 pm

or winter after....

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:04 pm

HOW??? You still have cat eyes though.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:05 pm

there it changed, refresh and they change to your new avtar (you were asking)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:05 pm

not now...refresh it

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:05 pm

I logged out, set a new one (just the ttval98.gif) and then logged back in

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:06 pm

took a bit to change but did eventually

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:12 pm

I want to put my face in there like terry did.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:13 pm

you can, just crop that pic of you and upload it to the avtar folder, then add it....

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:13 pm

lets see if I can also....

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:20 pm

Just got back from our meditation down by the creek.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:21 pm

nice, how many people attended?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:21 pm

there we go, see Ellie :o)

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:21 pm

We planned on 15 minutes and ended up doing it for over an hour. We walked down to a rocky place in Cottonwood Creek, gathering up some rocks and making a monument to Karen deep in the woods. Later, we going to Marbridge Farms to get that cherry tree.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:21 pm

Just a four folks.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:22 pm

I was 5....sounds very nice Terry

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:23 pm

Ellie, I can crop that pic you have up there, and I can upload just your face to the avtar folder so you can use it...ok?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:23 pm

Ellie are you still here?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:24 pm

Ellie's picture is already in the avatar folder, it's called ellie.jpg

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:24 pm

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:25 pm

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:25 pm

Yeah I see what you mean about cropping it.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:26 pm

ok I just put your face up there so just put ellie_face.jpg for your avtar

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:26 pm

done... :-)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:26 pm

yes I 'm still here, just trying to get my picture up there on the side like you.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:27 pm

Hi Ellie! Yeah, just log off and put ellie_face.jpg in the blank space where it says "avatar"

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:27 pm

it should work now, log out and add the ellie_face.jpg

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:27 pm

... when you log back in.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:29 pm

ok, I did it, we'll see what happens.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:30 pm

I don't see it

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:31 pm

I see it!

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:31 pm

Hit refresh

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:31 pm

NOW I DO!!Yeah!

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:31 pm

That's me age 2 diev

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:31 pm

Yeah!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:31 pm

sweet

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:32 pm

We had a nice service for Karen out in the woods Ellie.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:32 pm

That started an hour and 41 minutes ago and ended 15 minutes or so ago.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:33 pm

It's getting on to be 1:41 here so it's getting close to noon in California.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:34 pm

That's so cool, you planted a tree?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:34 pm

Diev and I look so much younger than you do, Ellie!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:35 pm

Isn't that strange? You two are some cute babies!!

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:35 pm

Yo terry

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:35 pm

Not yet, we built a little rock monument way out in the woods, tonight we're planting a cherry tree, only one nursery in Austin had them: Marbridge Farms.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:35 pm

thanks

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:35 pm

I'm going to look for one after work aslo

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:36 pm

Hey Ellie - thanks for the email...:)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:36 pm

oops, I tried another pic, but it didn't work.

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:36 pm

pauly paul-paul ..just wanted to say hi

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:37 pm

I just used the file name and not the http://www stuff

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:37 pm

That's great Diev. I can make that work Ellie.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:37 pm

Hey Stevo and Yavoor73! Welcome!!

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:37 pm

greetings ya'all

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:37 pm

greetings......?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:37 pm

Hey there Yavor! Thanks for stopping by and taking out time for Karen today.

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:37 pm

who's yavor73?

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:38 pm

cool...yup..and indeed it is 12 minutes away from noon,CA time

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:38 pm

Hey Steveo--Bob Here at UT Austin

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:38 pm

Bob ?

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:39 pm

Ellie, I just wanted you to know that I have always loved your family a lot...:)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:39 pm

farmie?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:39 pm

We are here celebrating my mom's life and what an inspiration she is to us all.

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:39 pm

yes indeed..Yavor is my Hungarian family's dog's name

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:39 pm

thank you Steveo

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:40 pm

Right..I won't divert the thread here. Ellie, your picture is ..tremendous

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:40 pm

I miss sitting in the meadow staying up all night laughing with you...;)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:41 pm

happy KSF day

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:41 pm

Thank you Bob, we are all welcome here as long as the attiude is positive.

yavor73 Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:41 pm

right...I am a 25 year friend of Terry's..met him as soon as he landed here from the farm

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:42 pm

Happy KSF Day, I lived in Minneapolis with Michael and Karen, then we were on a schoolbus together on the Caravan, then we were on the Wisconsin Farm. I am lucky to have been touched in some way by Karen in my life.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:43 pm

We were all so lucky to be touched by her spirit, tht picture, drawn by Melina, right? It's amazing!!!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:43 pm

I kinda wish I was older and was able to be around her more....such a wonderful person

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:44 pm

Melissa Meltzer

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:44 pm

of Karen?

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:44 pm

how to you upload pic?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:45 pm

I feel so lucky to have been her daughter but some days are so hard without her...

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:45 pm

I buzzed Melissa, there she is

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:45 pm

Ellie, you have the same magic and beauty as your Mom...:)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:45 pm

Oh, I'm sorry, Melissa, Yes, of Karen...amazing.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:46 pm

Thank you so much Steve, I watched the memorial at mt.Tam and heard what you said about the dream and all, it was cool.

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:47 pm

I was a little emotional....;)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:47 pm

If this is the same Stevo of course, hee hee

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:48 pm

Steve Brady

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:48 pm

that's him!!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:49 pm

I liked your ellie_face.jpg better :o)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:49 pm

bigger face....

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:49 pm

I remember, on the Caravan, driving across the state of New Mexico and Karen sat in the wheel well with the door open looking out at the desert the whole way.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:49 pm

yeah it was emotional, it still is. There the same picture Diev!!hee hee

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:49 pm

Not the wheel well, I meant the little staircase where the passengers get on the school bus.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:50 pm

nope, I cropped your face and the ellie_face.jpg...just your face

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:50 pm

We cooked on a wood cook stove in the bus.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:51 pm

ok ok you win, thank you.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:52 pm

I remember going to so many protests and rallies with my mom, I'm so glad she taught me to be into politics and what's really going on in the world. I appreciate any and all stories...

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:53 pm

Happy Karen Day

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:53 pm

Words can't explain a person like Karen, but Beautiful, Kind, Compasionate, Loving, Caring, inspiration to us all comes as close as I can...:D

This is the message you sent to ellie:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx you can also whisper to people if you want to talk to someone one on one where no one else can see

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:53 pm

Happy Karen Flaherty!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:54 pm

Day

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:54 pm

Oh happy day.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:55 pm

mac's will still work in here right?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:55 pm

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diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:55 pm

Melissa is having trouble gettin in

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:55 pm

Sure this place is MacFriendly

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:56 pm

February 10th is KSF day!!!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:56 pm

my mom once told me , that when I was 2 years old, I stood on a log in the woods on The Farm and starting yelling all these words like"Save the Whales" "Peace on Earth" "Right on" "Take the Toys from the Boys!" all the stuff I had heard her say, and the people around me. It was cool.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:56 pm

Is it her browser?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:57 pm

What year were you two on the Farm?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:57 pm

That's a great story.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:57 pm

she does not see the "newhandle" area at all

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:57 pm

1978

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:58 pm

Hey Ellie - I am at work, so I am going to have to go. But I wanted to say another prayer for my loving friend and second mom, Karen...:)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:59 pm

Thank you so much Stevo! She really dug you too.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:59 pm

well we could make up an account for her and email her the password, then she could log in. I'll set one up as temp with password temp and have her at least try logging in ok?

Stevo Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:59 pm

Luv ya - chao...

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:00 pm

ok

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:00 pm

Thats a great picture of you Diev

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:00 pm

Have her try temp and temp.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:00 pm

thanks GR and I'll tell her Terry

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:01 pm

I still don't recognize Terry

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:02 pm

Do want a pic of me from the Farm days?

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:02 pm

Show me that beard!

Linda Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:04 pm

Linda

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:04 pm

I remember Karen as Simons cool mother.
She drove that Toyota van everywhere.

Linda Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:04 pm

I hadn't seen karen since 1983 but it's wonderful to remember her on this day!

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:04 pm

Hi everyone! It's Melissa Meltzer and Melina Sierra here, wishing all ya'll a WONDERFUL and love-filled KSF Day! whooo hooooo!

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:06 pm

Hi Mels, Hi Linda.
Terry is getting older.

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:06 pm

hello!

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:07 pm

hello Ellie.....how are you?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:07 pm

Hey Melissa and Melina, I love the picture Melissa.

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:08 pm

sitting in Florida here

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:08 pm

Eamon!!!

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:08 pm

hey babe!

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:08 pm

her presence is still here

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:08 pm

Eamon is my cousin and Karens Nephew who lives out in Tallahassee, Fl.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:09 pm

Awesome Ellie, cause you know I made it for you and your beautiful brother! That painting was made from a vision I had the day she passed. we have Satia on the phone right now!

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:09 pm

Hi Eamon

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:09 pm

he is getting signed in right now

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:09 pm

test2, do you have Yahoo Instant messenger?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:10 pm

Her presence will always be here, I just want to hug her so bad...

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:11 pm

Oh good, Satya is coming, so is my dad, Micheal, I think.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:11 pm

Melina says she knows the feeling, she would love to hug her sister!

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:11 pm

hello Glenn

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:12 pm

Grandma is floating around here too...

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:12 pm

yes, astral hugging, I guess

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:12 pm

Hi Melissa and Melina, the temps!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:12 pm

Hi Grandma Kay!!!!

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:13 pm

Kay says hello.....big hugs

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:13 pm

Is Kay Sharkey on there, wow, I've actually met her.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:13 pm

yes, astral hugging is REAL! (M&M)

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:14 pm

yes, Kay is here

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:14 pm

Give Granadma all my love!!

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:14 pm

Eamon and Ellie- I went to High school with cousin, Aaron Sharkey! we graduated together. anyhow, sidenote to BIG family~!

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:14 pm

Kay is with you Eamon?

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:14 pm

really? Erin is still around.....what's your name?

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:15 pm

this is Melissa Meltzer

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:15 pm

yes, Kay is doing well..."why don't you come see us? I miss you. Hope I see you soon" (Kay)

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:16 pm

my boyfriend is in the Big Family, his name is Ajna Speathe, or Joe Barber, as they knew him otherwise. He's right here, sending his love.

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:16 pm

nice to meet you Melissa.....I will tell Erin you said hello

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:17 pm

hello to Joe

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:17 pm

Did you know a guy named Joe barber Temps?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:18 pm

Hey Eamon, from Joe

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:18 pm

i still have so many of Karen's guatemalan bags lol they go to all my ultimate tourneys

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:18 pm

Satya is having trouble signing in,
do i have to sign us out of using "Temp" for him to access it?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:19 pm

Kay, I met you once at some place you were staying in Minneapolis back when I worked as a City Planner there and shared the "yoga studio" with Michael and Karen. Remember the "yoga studio" they had down on Hennepin?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:19 pm

someone called but didn't leave me a number to call back :((

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:20 pm

We can whup up an account for Satya real quick. How about sooty with the password tooty?

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:20 pm

satya, you are reading this, so common man, try it out!good luck, we love you.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:21 pm

Tell Satya to log in as the user sooty with the password tooty

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:21 pm

Satya has no backhand

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:22 pm

Hi Satya!!! I'm glad you can read this but I hope you can get on!! Did you see all the pictures and the front spread? I hope so

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:22 pm

That's right Eamon, piss hiim off so he'll get his butt on here!

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:23 pm

hehe.......just don't let him invite you to his Frat house

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:23 pm

unless you want to climb down the ivy

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:23 pm

satya, log on as sooty with the password tooty. If you can't create an account.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:23 pm

ch

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:23 pm

Diev how old are you in that picture?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:24 pm

HAPPY KAREN SHARKEY FLAHERTY DAY EVERYONE!!! To the most beautiful woman in the world to me!!! I miss you mom soooo much!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:24 pm

6, a little punk

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:24 pm

with a big fro

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:24 pm

She was amazing.....I remember one time traveling down to Palm Beach with her......we got irie most of the way....and I bought her a GD CD......she loved it......played it the whole way

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:25 pm

Watch out, I'm a 12 year old in my picture! I had the geek look back then.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:25 pm

you were cute

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:25 pm

Karen's smile was/is the biggest I've ever seen :o)

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:25 pm

I still cry when I hear a certain song

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

Both of you - hey Diev, say hi to spanky for me.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

to KSF DAY! may we all share a hug and a kiss with someone today!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

hey now

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

Aloha familia sagrada!!!

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

share the LOVE

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

there ya are :o)))

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

Finalmente!!!

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

whoooo hoooo!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:26 pm

the biggest smile, the biggest heart, the biggest hugs...

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:27 pm

hey Satya....

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:27 pm

Soooty!!! you made it!

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:27 pm

good job in the preserverance!! thanks Terri for hookin us all up!

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:27 pm

Glad to spin in cyber-space with the best of ya'll!!!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:27 pm

yeah and thanks Ellie for pulling this off

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:28 pm

Thank you ALL for perservering, as my mom would say"Perserverence furthers."

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:28 pm

Hey there Sooty/Satya! I'm a friend of Michael and Karens' from the old days in Minneapolis.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:28 pm

cyber huggs cyber love ....its all real.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:28 pm

Thank you, Terry did a lot too.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:29 pm

It's all real. The credit goes to you, Ellie for inspiring all this and rounding up all those neat words

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:29 pm

Hey Satya,
Glenn "Rice" Remick here.
Love to you my brother

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:29 pm

i needed a break from homework, this is nice

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:30 pm

Somehow I feel more intertwined in this embrace being able to add as well as read, feels great to commemorate such a blessing!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:30 pm

who?

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:30 pm

Aloha Idren!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:30 pm

Well, thank very much Terry and all. This is great. hey Satya, did you see the front page and the album?

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:30 pm

Somehow I got tagged sooty - Sat

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:31 pm

The page is beautiful, the album no.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:31 pm

hey whatta about temp

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:31 pm

temporarily existing

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:31 pm

who is test2?

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:31 pm

where are you living Satya?

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:32 pm

You shuold check out some of the pics in there when you get a chance, there are some good ones of you.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:32 pm

You can thank me for the sooty tag, Satya, I, uh, didn't put a lot of thought in to it. It was the first thing that popped in my mind.

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:32 pm

I just reacehed Tuscon late last night, Dad and I shot some hoops this morning and are going to hold a prayer with some of Mom's ash later.

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:33 pm

right on

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:34 pm

They held a little service for her on the farm right Terry, and they are gonna plant a cherry tree for her tonight.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:34 pm

Is dad there with you Satya?

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:35 pm

Excellent, I just had a memorial of sorts with Tom, Jeff, Mike and Maureen in Tahoe last weekend!

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:35 pm

The Gem & Crystal show is going on in Tuscon right now?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:36 pm

We did a little service out in the woods of Cedar Creek and got some nice rocks down by the creek and made them into a heart shaped memorial in a beautiful pasture that fills up with Bluebonnets in the Spring.

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:36 pm

Yes I am El,big Hug!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:36 pm

Eamon, Joe wants to know what your hitting at the Santa Rosa Course?

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:36 pm

Exactly Glenn!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:36 pm

HI DAD!!!!!!

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:37 pm

Eamon, my son Shey lives in Santa Rosa and he's an athlete into softball, baseball, basketball. Goes to JC lives near SRJC.

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:37 pm

I'm in Florida Joe.....

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:37 pm

Hey Michael! Did you get my cell phone message?

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:37 pm

haven't played that course in a while

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:38 pm

used to attend SRJC

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:38 pm

I've been talking to Ames on the phone at the Tucson Show. It must be a blast there Michael!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:38 pm

oh yeah, he said.

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:38 pm

We are paying an exorbitant rate here at a copy place and have been reading for the past half-hour, will half to log-off in 15mins.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:38 pm

oh yeah, he said.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:39 pm

He was just wondering if you'd been back in a while. Guess not.

Eamon Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:39 pm

i was there last summer....may go back in March for a bit

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:40 pm

I donated a beautiful Amethyst formation form the dedication on the farm today. i understood that karen liked Amethyst

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:40 pm

Terry- no I did not, yes it's great especially now
that Sat is here with me. Haven't had the time to show him anything yet,wanted to start the day here.Thanks for your help in setting this up!!!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:41 pm

She loved amythest, I think because it was purple, her faverite color.

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:41 pm

Rad - I have been checking out some Amethyst with her in mind today!

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:41 pm

Ellie did a lot of work on this. It's a great meeting place with great vibes going on in this chat room.

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:41 pm

Mine too

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:42 pm

Melissa and Melina would like to remind everyone to TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES!!! Self LOVE in every form is a must, in this human experience.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:42 pm

Thank you so much Satya and dad for finding a way to get to a computer, it feels so cool just being connected like this and being able to all express our feelings and stories at once.

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:42 pm

Yeah El that's it she was drawn to basically any good crown chakra activity.

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:43 pm

loving yourself, will help you to love others better and more completely.

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:43 pm

Wish I could be rippin' it like you Boogs!

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:43 pm

WE LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:44 pm

Soon come -Ital meditation!

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:44 pm

yeah good to hear from you Satya

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:45 pm

Yes Higher - Love you InfInItely!

glenn Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:45 pm

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:45 pm

thank you Karen-family for allowing us to participate in the commemoration of Karens STRONG SPIRIT

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:45 pm

I know, I can't wait to see you , thank you all for coming on this chat room, We Love you too Temps!! I will be the best I can be. Infinite love all, I'll check back in around2:00 my time Terry

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:46 pm

:X

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:46 pm

OK Thanks Ellie, you've done a great job with this!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:46 pm

Thank you mom for giving me life, you are so precious, so beautiful and full of grace, I hope to follow in your path.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:47 pm

It's almost 3 here now 2 your time would be 7 pm our time?

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:47 pm

Ellie you are BEAUTIFUL

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:47 pm

c-ya all, and let the love shine through....gots to go

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:47 pm

What time is it there now Ellie?

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:47 pm

I LOVE YOU EL

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:48 pm

Bye diev had a great time with you.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:49 pm

I love you too Satya and dad! It is 11:00 here now Terry

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:49 pm

peace and love to you all, may Karen's laughter and open smile continue to live on in each of us.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:50 pm

Your all beautiful!!!

sooty Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:50 pm

Blessings one and all - we'll carry you with us especially consciously today! thank you Ellie for organizing this and Terry for helpin' us get on - we love you all as the divine reflections you are for us - the force is us! Sat & Pops

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:50 pm

11 Hawaii = 3 austin so 7 hawaii = 11 pm CST

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:50 pm

We love you too!

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:51 pm

God Bless you Karen, I love you sooo much mama.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:52 pm

God Bless Karen. See you at 7 pm Hawaii time. This has been a great event.

Ellie Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:52 pm

I'll be on and off all day, just to check and see if people come late. Peace out!
KSF Day 4-EVER!

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:54 pm

KSF DAY RULES!!! (kiss-someone-4 -fun-day)

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:56 pm

KSF Forever

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 4:02 pm

Hey Ellie, are you coming to California anytime soon?

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diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:01 pm

hello?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:06 pm

anyone here?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:06 pm

Uncle Jack, did you know you're repeating over and over?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:07 pm

is he even here?

theWholeWorld Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:20 pm

* * remembers Karen Flaherty **

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:24 pm

Hopefully not.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:25 pm

Wonders what that was all about?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:27 pm

not sure, Jan Mundo was trying to join....wholeworld who are you? ;-)

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:27 pm

* Karen Flaherty Nov. 30, 1948 - Feb. 4, 2002 *

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:28 pm

temp Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:30 pm

the tems are still here, sending out the love, on this beautiful northern california day, remembering the grace and beauty of Karen Anne Sharkey Flaherty!!
checking in every once in a while...... continuing the life groove, dancing to the music, creating joy.....

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:31 pm

thewholeworld is Jan?

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:45 pm

Janet Mundo?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:45 pm

on her way, I just made her a username..same prob as temps :((

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:46 pm

they can't see/find the "newhandle"....to add themselves

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:47 pm

Janet, use "janm" and "love" for password...if your reading this...;-)

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:48 pm

do you know her Terry?

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:48 pm

of course you must.....

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 5:51 pm

back in 15 min.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:07 pm

I know who Janet Mundo is from the Farm, we never hung out with the Mundos or anything. Everyone's heard of them.

terry Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:12 pm

I'm still tired today from Carnaval.

diev Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:13 pm

when I came in here this time I didn't see the "newhandle" either :o((

diev